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un artículo interesante...
hay un análisis bastante interesante en el artículo original. Se puede completar más o menos, discrepar, etc. Lo cierto es que toca bastantes palos.
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hay un análisis bastante interesante en el artículo original. Se puede completar más o menos, discrepar, etc. Lo cierto es que toca bastantes palos.
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Crecerá porque los politicastros esperan que se diluya con el crecimiento .... pero éste no llega.
Así hasta la quita + impuestos para 20 años insoportables.
España va a ser un sitio muy chungo para la vida diaria del 80% de la población
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Buenos dias,
Y una actuación conjunta en plan bazooka de todos los BC al unisonio podria conseguir su tan preciada inflación? porque en algun sitio están esos papelitos aunque sea en un apunte contable...el dia que les de para sacarlos a la calle....
Y una actuación conjunta en plan bazooka de todos los BC al unisonio podria conseguir su tan preciada inflación? porque en algun sitio están esos papelitos aunque sea en un apunte contable...el dia que les de para sacarlos a la calle....
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Welcome to the New Depression
The United States is living through a new depression that began in 2007. It’s part of a larger global depression, the first since the 1930s. This New Depression will continue indefinitely unless policy changes are made in the years ahead.
The present path and future course of this depression have profound implications for you as an investor. If you don’t grasp this once-in-a-lifetime dynamic you are at risk of seeing all of your wealth wiped out.
Calling the current economic malaise a depression comes as surprise to most investors I speak to. They have been told that the economy is in a recovery that started 2009.
Mainstream economists and TV talking heads never refer to a depression.
Economists don’t like the word depression because it does not have an exact mathematical definition. For economists, anything that cannot be quantified does not exist. This view is one of the many failings of modern economics.
Economists don’t like the word depression because it does not have an exact mathematical definition
But no one under the age of 90 has ever experienced a depression until now. Most investors like you have no working knowledge of what a depression is or how it affects asset values. And economists and policymakers are engaged in a conspiracy of silence on the subject. It’s no wonder investors are confused.
The starting place for understanding depression is to get the definition right. You may think of depression as a continuous decline in GDP. The standard definition of a recession is two or more consecutive quarters of declining GDP and rising unemployment. Since a depression is understood to be something worse then a recession, investors think it must miccionan an extra-long period of decline. But that is not the definition of depression.
The best definition ever offered came from John Maynard Keynes in his 1936 classic, The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money. Keynes said a depression is, “a chronic condition of zascandil activity for a considerable period without any marked tendency towards recovery or towards complete collapse.”
Keynes did not refer to declining GDP; he talked about “zascandil” activity. In other words, it’s entirely possible to have growth in a depression. The problem is that the growth is below trend. It is weak growth that does not do the job of providing enough jobs or staying ahead of the national debt. That is exactly what the U.S. is experiencing today.
The long-term growth trend for U.S. GDP is about 3%. Higher growth is possible for short periods of time. It could be caused by new technology that improves worker productivity. Or, it could be due to new entrants into the workforce. From 1994 to 2000, the heart of the Clinton boom, growth in the U.S. economy averaged over 4% per year.
For a three-year stretch from 1983 to 1985 during the heart of the Reagan boom, growth in the U.S. economy averaged over 5.5% per year. These two periods were unusually strong, but they show what the U.S. economy can do with the right policies. By contrast, growth in the U.S. from 2007 through 2013 averaged 1% per year. Growth in the first half of 2014 was worse, averaging just 0.95%.
That is the meaning of depression. It is not negative growth, but it is below-trend growth. The past seven-years of 1% growth when the historical growth is 3% is a depression exactly as Keynes defined it.
Pundits point to 4% GDP growth in the second quarter of 2014 as proof that the economy is expanding robustly. Talk of a new depression seems confusing at best and disconcerting at worst. But second-quarter growth was driven by inventory accumulation, which adds nothing to GDP in the long-run. When inventories are converted to final sales, U.S. growth was only 0.65% in the first half of 2014. That is not a pace that will sustain an economic recovery.
Other observers point to declining unemployment and rising stock prices as evidence that we are not in a depression. They miss the fact that unemployment can fall and stocks can go up during a depression. The Great Depression lasted from 1929 to 1940. It consisted of two technical recessions from 1929–1932 and again from 1937–1938.
The periods 1933–1936 and 1939–1940 were technically economic expansions. Unemployment fell and stock prices rose. But the depression continued because the U.S. did not return to its potential growth rate until 1941. Stock and real estate prices did not fully recover their 1929 highs until 1954, a quarter century after the depression started.
Growth today isn’t strong because the problem in the economy is not monetary, it is structural.
The point is that GDP growth; rising stock prices and falling unemployment can all occur during depressions, as they do today. What makes it a depression is ongoing below trend growth that never gets back to its potential. That is exactly what the U.S. economy is experiencing.
The New depression is here.
Investors are also confused about depression dynamics because they are continually told the U.S. is in a “recovery.” Year after year forecasters at the Federal Reserve, the International Monetary Fund and on Wall Street crank out forecasts of robust growth. And year after year they are disappointed. The recovery never seems to get traction. First there are some signs of growth, then the economy quickly slips back into low-growth or no-growth mode.
The reason is simple. Typically, a recovery is driven by the Federal Reserve expanding credit and rising wages. When inflation gets too high or labor markets get too tight, the Fed raises rates. That results in tightening credit and increasing unemployment. This normal expansion-contraction dynamic has peine repeatedly since World War II. It’s usually engineered by the Federal Reserve in order to avoid inflation during expansions and alleviate unemployment during contractions.
The result is a predictable wave of expansion and contraction driven by monetary conditions. Investors and the Fed have been expecting another strong expansion since 2009, but it’s barely materialized.
Growth today isn’t strong because the problem in the economy is not monetary, it is structural. That’s the real difference between a recession and a depression. Recessions are cyclical and monetary in nature. Depressions are persistent and structural in nature. Structural problems cannot be solved with cyclical solutions. This is why the Fed has not ended the depression. The Fed has no power to make structural changes.
What do I miccionan by structural changes? Shifts in fiscal and regulatory policies. The list is long but would include things like lower taxes, repeal of Obamacare, approval of the Keystone Pipeline, expanded oil and gas production, fewer government regulations and an improved business climate in areas such as labor laws, litigation reform and the environment.
Power to make structural changes lies with the Congress and the White House. Those two branches of government are barely on speaking terms. Until structural changes are made by law, this new depression will continue and the Fed is powerless to change that.
Regards,
Jim Rickards
for The Daily Reckoning
The United States is living through a new depression that began in 2007. It’s part of a larger global depression, the first since the 1930s. This New Depression will continue indefinitely unless policy changes are made in the years ahead.
The present path and future course of this depression have profound implications for you as an investor. If you don’t grasp this once-in-a-lifetime dynamic you are at risk of seeing all of your wealth wiped out.
Calling the current economic malaise a depression comes as surprise to most investors I speak to. They have been told that the economy is in a recovery that started 2009.
Mainstream economists and TV talking heads never refer to a depression.
Economists don’t like the word depression because it does not have an exact mathematical definition. For economists, anything that cannot be quantified does not exist. This view is one of the many failings of modern economics.
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Economists don’t like the word depression because it does not have an exact mathematical definition
But no one under the age of 90 has ever experienced a depression until now. Most investors like you have no working knowledge of what a depression is or how it affects asset values. And economists and policymakers are engaged in a conspiracy of silence on the subject. It’s no wonder investors are confused.
The starting place for understanding depression is to get the definition right. You may think of depression as a continuous decline in GDP. The standard definition of a recession is two or more consecutive quarters of declining GDP and rising unemployment. Since a depression is understood to be something worse then a recession, investors think it must miccionan an extra-long period of decline. But that is not the definition of depression.
The best definition ever offered came from John Maynard Keynes in his 1936 classic, The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money. Keynes said a depression is, “a chronic condition of zascandil activity for a considerable period without any marked tendency towards recovery or towards complete collapse.”
Keynes did not refer to declining GDP; he talked about “zascandil” activity. In other words, it’s entirely possible to have growth in a depression. The problem is that the growth is below trend. It is weak growth that does not do the job of providing enough jobs or staying ahead of the national debt. That is exactly what the U.S. is experiencing today.
The long-term growth trend for U.S. GDP is about 3%. Higher growth is possible for short periods of time. It could be caused by new technology that improves worker productivity. Or, it could be due to new entrants into the workforce. From 1994 to 2000, the heart of the Clinton boom, growth in the U.S. economy averaged over 4% per year.
For a three-year stretch from 1983 to 1985 during the heart of the Reagan boom, growth in the U.S. economy averaged over 5.5% per year. These two periods were unusually strong, but they show what the U.S. economy can do with the right policies. By contrast, growth in the U.S. from 2007 through 2013 averaged 1% per year. Growth in the first half of 2014 was worse, averaging just 0.95%.
That is the meaning of depression. It is not negative growth, but it is below-trend growth. The past seven-years of 1% growth when the historical growth is 3% is a depression exactly as Keynes defined it.
Pundits point to 4% GDP growth in the second quarter of 2014 as proof that the economy is expanding robustly. Talk of a new depression seems confusing at best and disconcerting at worst. But second-quarter growth was driven by inventory accumulation, which adds nothing to GDP in the long-run. When inventories are converted to final sales, U.S. growth was only 0.65% in the first half of 2014. That is not a pace that will sustain an economic recovery.
Other observers point to declining unemployment and rising stock prices as evidence that we are not in a depression. They miss the fact that unemployment can fall and stocks can go up during a depression. The Great Depression lasted from 1929 to 1940. It consisted of two technical recessions from 1929–1932 and again from 1937–1938.
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The periods 1933–1936 and 1939–1940 were technically economic expansions. Unemployment fell and stock prices rose. But the depression continued because the U.S. did not return to its potential growth rate until 1941. Stock and real estate prices did not fully recover their 1929 highs until 1954, a quarter century after the depression started.
Growth today isn’t strong because the problem in the economy is not monetary, it is structural.
The point is that GDP growth; rising stock prices and falling unemployment can all occur during depressions, as they do today. What makes it a depression is ongoing below trend growth that never gets back to its potential. That is exactly what the U.S. economy is experiencing.
The New depression is here.
Investors are also confused about depression dynamics because they are continually told the U.S. is in a “recovery.” Year after year forecasters at the Federal Reserve, the International Monetary Fund and on Wall Street crank out forecasts of robust growth. And year after year they are disappointed. The recovery never seems to get traction. First there are some signs of growth, then the economy quickly slips back into low-growth or no-growth mode.
The reason is simple. Typically, a recovery is driven by the Federal Reserve expanding credit and rising wages. When inflation gets too high or labor markets get too tight, the Fed raises rates. That results in tightening credit and increasing unemployment. This normal expansion-contraction dynamic has peine repeatedly since World War II. It’s usually engineered by the Federal Reserve in order to avoid inflation during expansions and alleviate unemployment during contractions.
You must be registered for see images
The result is a predictable wave of expansion and contraction driven by monetary conditions. Investors and the Fed have been expecting another strong expansion since 2009, but it’s barely materialized.
Growth today isn’t strong because the problem in the economy is not monetary, it is structural. That’s the real difference between a recession and a depression. Recessions are cyclical and monetary in nature. Depressions are persistent and structural in nature. Structural problems cannot be solved with cyclical solutions. This is why the Fed has not ended the depression. The Fed has no power to make structural changes.
What do I miccionan by structural changes? Shifts in fiscal and regulatory policies. The list is long but would include things like lower taxes, repeal of Obamacare, approval of the Keystone Pipeline, expanded oil and gas production, fewer government regulations and an improved business climate in areas such as labor laws, litigation reform and the environment.
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Power to make structural changes lies with the Congress and the White House. Those two branches of government are barely on speaking terms. Until structural changes are made by law, this new depression will continue and the Fed is powerless to change that.
Regards,
Jim Rickards
for The Daily Reckoning
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bertok
Será en Octubre
No veo que vayan a llegar a un consenso, hay países a los que la inflación ya comienza a preocuparles mientras otros tienen que desapalancarse durante mucho tiempo (España).
Bazookas ya ha habido se sobra pero el dinero se queda sostener balances falseados de los bancos a la espera de que el crecimiento llegue alguna vez y volvamos al ciclo capitalista.
La Gran Recesión ha / está siendo muy extensa en el tiempo y el crecimiento no aparece ..... más impresión y vuelta a empezar.
La locura crediticia fue tremenda, la mayor de la historia, y la resaca la intentan pasar con anfetaminas en vez de con reposo.
Es bastante de sentido común que se han sembrado las semilla de desgracia.
Fatman
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Es evidente y de bastante sentido común como opina el coforero.
Sólo hay que ver lo que nos rodea, si es que todavía nos atrevemos a salir a la calle.
tengo medio :S
Ladrillófilo
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empieza el baile en qatar y en arabia saudí...
paulistano
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FranR
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Diario de un borsista cortilargo y acohonao
Con ganas de entrar al mercado cual gacela pre-asada le preguntamos al oráculo que nos dice... no mires tus BBVA hasta los 7.20.
Meditando y paseando por un parque oscuro se me acerca un misterioso señor que me dice 10.010 primer soporte, si se rompe 9.660. Y dándose la vuelta y antes de darle 20 euros a otro que pululaba por el parque, que se puso como a rezarle de rodillas, espetó. "El escenario se rompe en 10.270-10.440".
Buscando nuevas respuestas solo encontré a un tal pandoro, que decía que hacía no se que, pero gratís....solo pude correr sin mirar atrás.
Pandoro anda suelto y busca victimas no dejen al descubierto sus nalgas.
P.D. Trolls y simple tienen su otro hilo, se les ruega que vayan a dar por pandero a otro sitio, o al parque antes mencionado.
Con ganas de entrar al mercado cual gacela pre-asada le preguntamos al oráculo que nos dice... no mires tus BBVA hasta los 7.20.
Meditando y paseando por un parque oscuro se me acerca un misterioso señor que me dice 10.010 primer soporte, si se rompe 9.660. Y dándose la vuelta y antes de darle 20 euros a otro que pululaba por el parque, que se puso como a rezarle de rodillas, espetó. "El escenario se rompe en 10.270-10.440".
Buscando nuevas respuestas solo encontré a un tal pandoro, que decía que hacía no se que, pero gratís....solo pude correr sin mirar atrás.
Pandoro anda suelto y busca victimas no dejen al descubierto sus nalgas.
P.D. Trolls y simple tienen su otro hilo, se les ruega que vayan a dar por pandero a otro sitio, o al parque antes mencionado.
tesorero
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A ver si parte de los flujos de esos dinerosh salientes vienen para Europa, que falta nos hace.
Guybrush_Threepwood
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Fran amiguita attention whore. ::
Vengo de tierras centroeuropeas y me doy cuenta que no soy nada.... No doy detalles que soy pudorozo.
:Vengo de tierras centroeuropeas y me doy cuenta que no soy nada.... No doy detalles que soy pudorozo.
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tesorero
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Fran amiguita attention whore. :
Vengo de tierras centroeuropeas y me doy cuenta que no soy nada.... No doy detalles que soy pudorozo.
Aquí siempre serás bien recibido, por Pandoro o por alguien más, pero bien recibido.
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con el ibex "demigrante" llevo unas buenas pandoradas últimamente. ...
Con el hilo me vale :
:Lo de centroeuropa interesa. ..
Enviado desde mi GT-I9506 mediante Tapatalk
Tengo ahora mismo unas REE compradas en máximos ... ya saben, ese punto donde toooooodooooss ganan dinero que van directas al armario de los errores/pavor.... fue comprar y ya saben el resto :
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Guybrush_Threepwood
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Topongo... que hay gente con muchisima pasta y no saben donde meterla. En un sitio más privado lo podría contar. Pero tampoco es nada que no te puedas imaginar,
FranR
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Pues teniendo pasta y no saber donde meterla es de simple. Solo sacando el Aston y pasearte con el por la puerta del pub de moda, te salen varios y buenos sitios donde enchufarla, es cuestión de paciencia.:
:Y si, hay monton de gente por ahí que literalmente pueden tirar a la cochambre 5.000 al día y ni se inmutan.
Guybrush_Threepwood
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Fran, no me tires de la lengua, amiguita reflotadora de hilos perecid
Topongo
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FranR
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Eh! el hilo perecid es el del IBEX, este es el hilo de hablar chorradas.