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Varias inmos lideran hoy las caídas:

INBESOS -2,04
INM.COLONIAL -2,33
METROVACESA -2,52
PARQUESOL -2,28
RENTA CORP. -1,57
 
Y no llevamos ni una hora de cotización...

Ole, ole... comienza la fiesta...

IBEX35 -1,22% 11.834PUNTOS...!!!
 
Bueno, a ver... que todos estos días comienza cayendo como orate, y luego recupera mucho.

Vamos, que es normal que comience cayendo.
 
Casi todo lo que puede ir mal para las bolsas va mal - The Economist. 😀

Menuda patada en los güevos a los mercados 😛

Bearish battalions


Jul 3rd 2008
From The Economist print edition
Almost everything that could is going wrong for world stockmarkets
Illustration by Satoshi Kambayashi

THEY rarely ring a bell at the bottom of bear markets. Investors who thought they had heard a tinkling sound when Bear Stearns, a failing American investment bank, was bundled into JPMorgan Chase in March have been disappointed. The Dow Jones Industrial Average is now weaker than it was in the spring (see chart).

The American stockmarket had its worst month since 2002 in June and is now down more than 20% from its peak, the definition of a bear market. It is not alone. According to Standard & Poor’s, a rating agency, the value of global stockmarkets fell by $3 trillion during the month, thanks in particular to a 10% decline in emerging markets.

Share prices are suffering because of the outlook for four forces that impel stockmarkets: economic growth, profits growth, interest rates and inflation (see article). At the moment, the first two seem to be slowing while the last two are rising. That is the worst possible combination.

Soaring oil and food prices are stoking inflation. Oil closed at another peak of $144.14 a barrel on July 2nd, because of disappointing data on American crude reserves, and lingering antiestéticars that sabre-rattling between Israel and Iran might lead to conflict in the Persian Gulf. High commodity prices have also acted as a terms-of-trade shock for consuming countries—the things they buy from abroad cost more compared with the things they export. That has made them poorer.

The past six months could be seen as a dreary exercise in sharing out the pain. Will workers suffer by seeing their wages rise more slowly than inflation? Will companies have to compensate their workers by raising wages, sacrificing their profit margins? Will central banks treat high commodity prices as a blip, and leave real interest rates low, penalising savers? Or will they raise interest rates and risk pushing the economy into recession? None of these choices is palatable.

All this has been made worse by the credit crunch. True, the rescue of Bear Stearns seemed to avert the implosion of the financial system. Credit spreads, which measure the excess interest rate paid by riskier borrowers, have fallen from their March peaks, although they have recently been rising again.

However, the crunch continues to chew its way through the system. Its effects can be seen in the sharp falls in mortgage approvals in both America and Britain. And it can also be seen in data produced by the Federal Reserve which show that loans made by banks (their assets, in the jargon) have fallen over the past three months.

This tightening in credit has taken so long to show up in the numbers because of the way that banks were operating before the summer of 2007. First, they had pushed much of their lending business off-balance-sheet, so that loans were bought by specialist entities like structured-investment vehicles (SIVs) and conduits. When the market for subprime loans collapsed, a lot of these loans came back on to the banks’ balance-sheets. Second, banks had made back-up commitments to businesses to lend money if needed. With the collapse in other debt markets (such as asset-backed commercial paper), corporate borrowers cashed in those chips. Much as they would have wished otherwise, banks found their loan books expanding.

Now, chastened by the huge amounts of capital they have had to raise to strengthen their balance-sheets, banks are being more careful. According to Ian Harnett of Absolute Strategy Research, a consultancy, the availability of credit in Europe for both consumers and companies is now at its lowest level since 2003.

The problem for financial markets is that the virtuous circle which pushed asset prices higher in the middle of this decade may be turning vicious. Banks lend money against the collateral of assets, most notably in the form of housing. As house prices increase, the collateral rises in value and the banks are willing to lend more. That enables buyers to bid up prices even further.

But when banks stop lending, buyers are unable to purchase assets. Some investors are forced to sell to pay off loans. The value of collateral falls, making banks even more reluctant to lend. Markets freeze up, as neither buyers nor sellers have the confidence to do business.

As house prices fall in America, Britain, Ireland and Spain, the wealth effect kicks in. George Magnus, a strategist at UBS, cites the examples of Finland and Sweden in the early 1990s. As house prices fell, personal-savings rates jumped by 12-14 percentage points. A similar move in America or Britain would have a devastating effect on consumer demand, and thus on GDP growth over the next couple of years. As yet, there has been more of an effect on consumer sentiment than actual retail sales, although individual retailers (such as Britain’s Marks & Spencer) are suffering.

As for companies, with consumers depressed and banks unwilling to lend, why should they invest? They may still see exports as a source of economic growth, but that works only for some firms in individual countries, not for those in the world as a whole.

So the market’s sorrows have come in battalions, not single spies. Investors might have coped with the credit crunch if it were not for the high commodity prices, and vice versa. They do not know whether to antiestéticar inflation or recession more, but they know that both at once will be unpleasant.

It looks like a lengthy period of gloom is in store for the stockmarkets. Meanwhile, the best investors can do is hope, Micawber-like, that something will turn up. A collapse in oil prices would help.
 
Nuestro querido IBEX intenta remontar después de rozar peligrosamente el -2%

IBEX 35 puntos Variación Hora
11.786,60 -1,62% -193,50 13:46:00
 
La subida de tipos de 25 puntos básicos ya estaba descontada... Entonces, ¿por qué pierde el IBEX otro 2% en este momento?
 
La subida de tipos de 25 puntos básicos ya estaba descontada... Entonces, ¿por qué pierde el IBEX otro 2% en este momento?

Porque es un antipatriota que no se entera de que está perfectamente preparado para salir de esta difícil situación.

Me imagino a ZP cantando mientras mira el gráfico en expansion.com: noooo te quieres enterar, yeee yeeee, que no tienes que bajar, ye ye ye yeeee (8)
 
BEX 35 puntos Variación Hora
11.744,00 -1,97% -236,10 14:47:58

Totalmente separatista 😀
 
IBEX 35 puntos Variación Hora
11.736,40 -2,03% -243,70 15:04:57

Al malos el 2% por primera vez en la sesión...
 
BANKINTER -5,05
MAPFRE -4,40
BA.POPULAR -3,45
BANESTO -4,38
INBESOS -5,94
INM.COLONIAL -4,65
RENTA CORP. -5,91

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Pues no, parece que no recupera... Menos mal que iba a ser una sesión con poco volumen y menos volatilidad...
 
a ver SI TODO EL MUNDO DICE QUE SE VA A 10.700 (MENTIRA COCHINA) PARA LUEGO REBOTAR...... se irá a 10.700 este mes.....


para luego volver a estar lateralillo otro rato de 10.700-12.000 y en ocutbre o así otra caida hasta 9800....

pero los expertos diran que 9800 es el suelo y que rebotará con fuerza!😀

a ver si en 6 meses soy owned o no!!!

9800 antes de fin de año
 
BANKINTER -5,05
MAPFRE -4,40
BA.POPULAR -3,45
BANESTO -4,38
INBESOS -5,94
INM.COLONIAL -4,65
RENTA CORP. -5,91

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Una vez más
Bancos y constructoras.

Huy, que mala pinta tiene esto...

y la crisis acaba de empezar.
 
9800 antes de fin de año no es nada absurdo. Vamos, que entra dentro de lo razonable y, hasta diría yo, de lo mas posible.

Los propios analistas lo ven zain, zain...

PS: -2.11%. No esta mal para el 4 de Julio, no. Progenitora de Dios, la que nos espera...
 
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Tendria que buscarlo pero me podeis confirmar si estos 11.760 de hoy son valores de SEPTIEMBRE 2006 ?
 
Con la bajada que lleva el IBEX este año y lo que nos falta por ver, qué pasa con los planes de pensiones que meten parte del dinero en la bolsa al IBEX? Podría ser que esos planes de pensiones pierdan dinero?
 
Con la bajada que lleva el IBEX este año y lo que nos falta por ver, qué pasa con los planes de pensiones que meten parte del dinero en la bolsa al IBEX? Podría ser que esos planes de pensiones pierdan dinero?


cómo que podria ser?

jaja, jojo....

los de tesoreria y "ahorro dinamico" se salvan y suben en un año casi un 3% de media.... los de 10-20-50-80 de inversion en bolsa.... tu que crees?



ejemplo rapido, y es general, no solo de este banco, que es el primero que me ha ansioso, por lo menos BKT, es muy muy transparente



BK RENTA FIJA CORTO PLAZO Renta Fija a corto 2,76% 2,76%
BK MIXTO 20 EUROPA BOLSA Mixto Renta Fija -1,67% -1,67%
BK GRAN RESERVA 40 ANIV FFPP Renta Variable -9,18% -9,18%
BK VARIABLE INTERNACIONAL Renta Variable -16,99% -16,99%
BK MULTIPLAN SELECCION Renta Variable -17,41% -17,41%
BK VARIABLE AMERICA FP Renta Variable -18,61% -18,61%
BK PENSION DIVIDENDO Renta Variable -19,78% -19,78%
BK VARIABLE ESPAÑA Renta Variable -21,57% -21,57%
BK VARIABLE EUROPA Renta Variable -21,74% -21,74%
BK VARIABLE ASIA FP Renta Variable -39,61% -39,61%
 
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Si son del 2006......, va en barrena.

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Si son del 2006......, va en barrena.

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Joer. Según como se quiera ver hemos retrocedido a precios de julio o febrero de 2006.

No quiero ni pensar en todos los que se hicieron fabulosos planes de pensiones de los que meten la mayor parte del dinero en bolsa, teniendo en cuenta que te quitan un 3% de comisión. ¡Menudo negocio redondo!

El capitalismo popular está contra las cuerdas.
 
La del NIKKEI si que asusta:

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Final del 1989 tocando los 40.000 y ya veis como esta ahora, solo 20 años practicamente en el mismo sitio.
 
¿ ? 😀

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No está de más recordar el gráfico a tres meses
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