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A continuación artículo de zerohedge (Sprott) sobre:

-Correlación plata-Brent

-Descenso paulatino del rendimiento de las minas a 7.4oz/ton.

-Costes de producción sobre los 16$ (Pan-AMERICAN).



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The silver market has experienced serious changes which precious metal investors need to be aware. Unfortunately, there is a shortage of information and data to provide investors with important key factors going forward. To understand the silver cost-price dynamics, investors need to see the trinc three charts below.

I did an interview with Jason Burack from Wall Street for Main Street a few days ago (to be published shortly) on the future value of precious metals. My analysis looks at how energy will be the driving force in pushing the value of gold and silver to substantially higher levels.

When I wrote the article Gold & Silver Prices To Surge On Fundamentals, Not Technical Analysis, many readers who made comments assumed the lower price of oil would guarantee lower precious metal prices for quite some time. While this sounds logical at face value, I believe the opposite is the case.

Before I get into why I believe the value of silver will surge in the future, let’s look at some silver price vs cost fundamentals.

The Price Of Silver vs The Price Of A Barrel Of Oil

The price of silver has moved in tandem with the price of a barrel of oil for nearly 100+ years. Here is a chart showing the change in the price of oil and silver since 2000:



As we can see in the chart, as the price of oil moved up higher, so did the price of silver. Some technical analysts may see this as merely a coincidence…. it’s not. Energy is the key factor that drives the value of most assets. This is not up for debate, even though many individuals will continue wasting their time trying to prove otherwise.

Now, the important thing to see in this first chart is the relationship between the silver price and oil price today versus what it was the last time oil traded at that level. To do that, we have to go all the way back until 2004 when a barrel of Brent Crude was trading the same as it is today.

The current price of Brent Crude is $39.65 and the price of silver is $14.11. However, when the price of Brent Crude was $38.26 in 2004, the price of silver was less than half at $6.67. This may give silver investors a lousy feeling as this past relationship portends for a much lower silver price.

Don’t worry, the fundamentals show that the present silver market structure is much different from it was just a decade ago.

Silver Mining Yields & Costs Head In Opposite Directions

Several of my readers have sent me emails worried that the lower price of oil will translate into much lower silver prices. While this sounds like common sense, there are several factors that reveal a much different picture.

One aspect of the silver market that isn’t discussed in detail by the precious metal community is the huge decline in average yield by the primary silver mining industry. I believe I am one of the only analysts that have published charts showing the decline in average yield in the top silver producers.



From 2005 to 2013 the average yield from the top six silver companies (including one primary silver mine) fell from 13 ounces per tonne (oz/t) to 7.6 oz/t. This was a 42% decline in average yield in just eight years. However, this downward trend reversed in 2014 as Tahoe Resources brought on its new super high-grade Escobal Mine in Guatemala. In 2014, Tahoe Resources Escobal Mine average yield was a staggering 16 oz/t.

What is interesting, by adding the this super high-grade Escobal Mine to the group, it only pushed up the group’s average yield to 7.8 oz/t. Moreover, if we look at the data for 2015 year to date (Q1-Q3), the average yield is heading lower once again. One of the reasons the group’s average silver yield declined to 7.4 oz/t this year was due to the large fall in Tahoe Resources Escobal Mine’s average yield. It fell from 16 oz/t in 2014 to 13 oz/t for the first three-quarters of 2015.

Some analysts are saying the primary silver miners have been high-grading their mines in order to stay profitable. While this may be true for several mines in some of the companies, this is not the trend for the entire primary silver mining industry. If it was, we would have seen an increase in the average yield in 2015, not a decline.

Investors need to realize the primary silver mining industry is processing almost double the amount of ore to produce the same or even less silver than it was just a decade ago. You don’t have to take my word for it, here is the data:

Top 7 Primary Silver Miners Total Processed Ore

2005 = 9,444,000 metric tons

2014 = 17,776,000 metric tons

While it’s not quite double, it’s close. This huge increase in processed ore has a profound impact on the cost to produce silver. To get a better idea of how it impacts the primary silver mining industry’s bottom line, let’s look at one of the largest silver producers in the world.

Pan American Silver: Evidence Of Rising Costs

If we look at one of the largest primary silver mining companies in the world, we can see just how much higher costs are today compared to a decade ago. This chart shows the average annual price Pan American Silver received for silver (White line), the estimated break-even (Light blue area) and the estimated silver income per ounce (Green or Red). The green tonalidad denotes a profit while red represents a loss:



The realized silver price Pan American received that year was close to the average market price (Note:some older years, the realized price was not stated in the Annual Report so, I used the average market price). According to my estimated break-even calculations, Pan American lost an estimated 10 cents an ounce in 2004, this turned positive for years 2007-2012 and then fell negative for the past three years.

The estimated silver profit per ounce for Pan American Silver peaked in 2011 at $9.02 an ounce. Now, what is interesting about this chart is the cost and market price ratio since 2004. I did not include 2005 or 2006, because the chart was originally designed from years 2007-2014. I plan on adding years all the way back until 2000, but that will be in an upcoming Report.

Regardless, Pan American Silver lost 10 cents an ounce in 2004 when the average market price for silver was $6.67. Thus, Pan American Silver needed to receive $6.77 to break-even. This was during the year when the price of a barrel of Brent Crude was $38. Now, if we look at Pan American Silver’s results for the first nine months of 2015, they received an average of $15.85 for silver, but lost 97 cents for each ounce produced.

Which means, Pan American Silver needed to received $16.82 for the first nine months of 2015 to break-even. Again, this is according to my “Estimated Break-Even Analysis” based on using Adjusted Income. For Example, Pan American Silver reported a $19 million net income profit in 2004, but this was due to a sale of a property (asset) in the amount of $23.7 million. The net income gain that year was not the result of profitable silver mining, but rather due to the sale of a property.

This is the reason I use the Adjusted Income approach in determining a more realistic cost to produce silver.

Even though Pan American Silver has been able to lower their break-even by extensive cost cutting and lower energy prices, we can see they still lost 97 cents an ounce at a realized price of $15.85 in 2015 versus losing 10 cents an ounce in 2004 when the market price of silver was $6.67.

Pan American Estimated Break Even:

2004 = $6.77

2015 Ytd = $16.82

Now, if the price of oil continues to fall, the primary silver mining industry could see additional declines in their overall cost to produce the metal. That being said, I don’t see a huge drop in overall costs for the primary mining industry going forward. This is due to generally higher inflation and falling yields. It just cost a lot more today to produce silver than it did a decade ago… even with the same oil price.

While it’s true that Pan American Silver is only one company, the overall cost structure is about the same for the entire industry. Thus, a lower oil price will not translate into the same corresponding silver market price we had in 2004.

The silver market and industry are experiencing serious changes, and it’s only a matter of time before investors realize it is one of the most undervalued assets in the world.

Silver Commodity Pricing vs A Store Of Value Asset

The one important factor investors need to understand about silver is the difference between “Commodity Pricing” and “Store Of Value Asset.” Currently, silver and gold are being valued as a commodity. This is based upon cost of production including supply and demand forces. If the industry cost to produce gold was $500, the current market price would be much lower.

However, the cost to mine gold is close to its market price. This is the same for silver. We can see this in the Pan American Silver break-even price. Of course, supply and demand play a part, but these forces are artificially manipulated due to the massive siphoning of investors funds into financial paper products (some call them assets… they are not) over the past several decades.

Because the current price to produce silver for the primary mining industry is close the current market price, investors do not understand why precious metal analysts continue to say that silver is severely undervalued.

IMPORTANT FACTOR:Silver is not undervalued due to its present primary silver mining production cost, but rather due to its misunderstood store of value principles compared to most financial paper assets under management.

As the world’s Great Financial Ponzi Scheme disintegrates under the weight of collapsing U.S. and global oil production, investors will move into hard assets such as gold and silver to protect wealth. We are already witnessing the beginning stages of this.

Investors have kept their money in bank accounts to earn interest. However, as interest rates have fallen to zero and soon negative, there is no motivation for investors to keep funds in these accounts. Matter-a-fact, the notion that gold and silver don’t earn a yield may no longer be a concern to the wealthy who just want to protect their wealth from the possibility of bank bail-ins or etc.

In addition, we are seeing more and more companies reduce or totally remove their stock dividend payouts. Investors who may have been worried about stock market valuations, have kept the shares because they continue to receive dividend payouts. What happens when the majority of stock dividends totally evaporate?

The world is entering into a terminal phase in which it’s unprepared. There will be very few assets to protect wealth in the future. Gold and silver happen to be two of the most safest and proven stores of value for over 2,000 years.
 
antes era de que subiera, pero visto lo visto que la tumben a conciencia, al final cambiaremos un Karlito por mas de una onza, ahora estamos en 12.77 € 😉.
 
Me tocó un socio de guano, así que decidí volverme de viaje. Regreso a primeros de Marzo. Otro forero ha abierto una tienda en Valencia según me comentó por privado. A ver si con otros 2 interesados de burbuja empezamos a hacer algo decente y sin tanta mamandurria, ya que estoy hasta los agallas de la falta de ganas de trabajar que tiene la gente, así como los vendehumos colaboradores que me salen.

Al final me veo con Ircapo haciendo videos a lo Mike, en cuanto nos volvamos a ver. Espero traer nuevas noticias sobre esto en los próximos meses.

He probado a vender monedas directamente por la calle, pero la gente desconfía pensando que son falsas, o no les prestan el interés que debería tener. No faltan los listos que las quieren comprar a 12 euros y ni un euro más.

Ahora estoy pensando en ir a Venezuela con unos cuantos miles de dólares a ver si realmente es tan barato como dicen. No sólo quiero ir a hoteles de lujo por 2-3 euros la noche, sino que quiero ver en directo el precio de los metales y joyas. Mi familia me lo desaconseja totalmente, y más ahora que Maduro quiere quedarse en el poder, pero si hacen un cambio en el tema de conversiones, esta oportunidad se desvanecerá y yo como poco quiero ir a disfrutarla. Si veo metales o joyas a buen precio en Venezuela os paso la voz.

Aprovecho para felicitaros en año, tarde.

Cuídense y sálvese quien pueda, que el mundo sigue enfermando.
 
¿Quien es el forero que ha abierto tienda en Valencia? me interesa
 
Zain, no te he entendido nada, perdona 😀

El de MGN nunca me respondió, supongo que no necesitan nada.


Respecto a la tienda de Valencia, me han mandado por privado lo siguiente:

Iniciado por Agco
Hola!

Al final mi socio salió petulante, y me volví a ir de España hasta Marzo.

Tienes ya una web o algo que pueda ver?

Encantado de hacer cosas con gente seria, aunque estemos a la distancia. Puedo mudarme a Gandía o Benidorm, lo más cerca que puedo estar de Valencia sin pagar alquileres.

Hola Agco. Parece que nos ha sucedido algo parecido, contaba con un socio pero se ha echado atrás y yo he tenido unas semanas bastante complicadas.

Por ahora tengo el proyecto congelado a falta de inversión.

Para el lunes o el martes te comento algo y a ver si mantenemos un contacto mas directo.

Así que al parecer tampoco hay tienda en Valencia.

En fin, si alguien serio se quiere apuntar a esta aventura, al parecer tenemos gente interesada en este mismo hilo. Si nos unimos podríamos hacer algo serio. Saludos.

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A Venezuela no me gustaría ir solo, Ircapo tiene miedo jajajaja y otro amigo también piensa que estaremos sin comida. Si alguien quiere apuntarse que me avise, porque yo tengo ganas de ir en pocos días, aunque ir solo me puede dar pereza. Yo estoy cerca así que el billete ida-vuelta me sale por unos 400 euros. Si es realmente barato y conseguimos vender euros o dólares, puedo invitar a estancia a quien me acompañe.

Monster, tienes webos, o no tienes webos??
 
Vaya! parece que hoy le está subiendo la fiebre a la platita...! :rolleye:

Global peak silver production is coming (or is here). However, that all depends on what happens in 2016 and its impact on the base metal mining industry. The base metal mining industry (zinc-lead & copper) supplies 58% of world silver supply.



Me ha gustado el comentario que hace SRSrocco en un post anterior:
Lastly, as I mentioned in my previous article linked at the top of the page, it’s becoming increasingly difficult for the world’s Central Banks to continue servicing the massive debt on their books currently. This is precisely why the United States and many other countries have had ultra-low or zero interest rate policies.

The only way to continue growth is to add a larger percentage of debt… but this is now becoming impossible. Thus, the collapse comes as ancient Roman Philosopher Lucius Seneca described over 2,000 years ago.


Lucius Seneca: “It would be some consolation for the feebleness of our selves and our works if all things should perish as slowly as they come into being; but as it is, increases are of sluggish growth, but the way to ruin is rapid.” Lucius Anneaus Seneca, Letters to Lucilius, n. 91

As Seneca states…. increases are of sluggish growth, but the way to ruin in rapid.

2016 looks like it could turn out to be one hell of a year. It will be interesting to see just how well the world’s paper assets survive the forces of Seneca’s Cliff.
 
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Pues yo creo que es un backtest a una línea que acababa de romper. Lo hemos visto tropecientas veces. Observen el dolar índex. Esto sigue bajista.
 
Creo que no lo han comentado.

Al parecer quieren cambiar la Ley en Estonia respecto al IVA en monedas de plata.

Como cualquier cambio dura al menos 6 meses, y deben hacer un nuevo documento ya que el que han realizado no ha sido aceptado por el Tribunal, los que quieran acumular plata sin IVA deberán hacerlo a ser posible, el primer semestre de este año.

Esto afectará a todas las tiendas de Estonia y Alemania, incluso al Andorrano. En caso de poner IVA, las tiendas ya avisan que cerrarán sus sucursales y negocios en Estonia, mudándose a Alemania.

El IVA en Estonia es del 20% frente al 19% Alemán.

Ya saben lo que hacer, sigan el ejemplo del link:



De esta noticia me enteré hoy, por estar un poco desconectado, ya se dió hace unas semanas.

Por mi parte estaré pendiente a ver qué ocurre al final con el IVA. Y seguiré acumulando a manos abiertas, aunque la gran compra la haré poco antes de la fecha definitiva, si aún no ha subido demasiado el metal. De ese modo al revender el producto (si me da por revenderlo) ya me garantizo una buena diferencia.

Y cuando la plata esté con IVA y vea que Andorrano sube también precios acorde a la situación, me pasaré al oro, ya que me sentiré expulsado del mercado, y es una grandísima excusa como para diversificar correctamente mi metal.
 
A ver para que lado rompe..

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Me "mojo" y digo que es una subida falsa y habra doble techo(principios mes) por los 14.55$ que estamos,
pero como no hay cigot, solo habro unos cortos en el simulador, ahora a esperar el owned.
 
me autocito del hilo de oro, creo que interesa.



Colapsan un 73% en un solo día las reservas de oro registradas del COMEX.

OroyFinanzas.com) – Desde ayer, el ratio de oro “registrado” en el COMEX – el oro disponible para entregas físicas de oro- ha caído en 201,345 onzas troy y ha sido transferido a la categoría de oro elegible – el oro almacenado en las bóvedas del Comex, pero no entregable para contratos de futuros – cayendo el oro registrado un 73% en un solo día. Sólo quedan 74.000 onzas de oro registradas en el COMEX (unas 2,3 toneladas).

Para poner esto en perspectiva esta cifra equivale a las reservas de oro de países como Mongolia (2,4 toneladas) o Islandia (2 toneladas), pero queda muy lejos de las reservas de EE.UU. con más de 8.000 toneladas u Alemania con más de 3.000 toneladas, creando dudas sobre si realmente el COMEX es relevante para definir el precio del oro físico del mundo. Obviamente los miembros del COMEX podrían decidir en cualquier momento transferir sus reservas de oro elegibles, unas 6.342.808 onzas en este momento, a las reservas registradas para compensar este desfase, pero, por ahora, el ratio de cobertura de oro físico frente a oro del Comex registrado entregable está en un récord de 542 onzas papel registradas por cada onza de oro físico.

Estas reducciones de oro registrado se deben a las transferencias de Scotia Mocatta (-95.000 onzas), HSBC (-85.000 onzas) y Brink’s (-21.000 onzas).

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me como el owned de los 14.55 ya que ahora lo esta rompiendo o eso parece a ido aguantando cercanopero no se dio la vuelta.
 
Me "mojo" y digo que es una subida falsa y habra doble techo(principios mes) por los 14.55$ que estamos,
pero como no hay cigot, solo habro unos cortos en el simulador, ahora a esperar el owned.

cuestion de esperar mas, bueno era en el simulador da igual :rolleye: pero esta bien hacertar ese 50% de posibiliaddes. :roto2:

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PD: si llega a los 13.75$ k pasara .
 
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