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*Tema mítico* : Hilo oficial de Bitcoin-XII
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eth y btc tienen que corregir algo... subidas en eth de 140 a 250...btc de 1800 a casi 2400... en dos días???Me parece adecuado; yo os he puesto 7000 para la siguiente onda por poner solo la extensión más flojilla.
Pero no debió gustar mucho.
Tengo una ... mala vibración cuando vengo a este hilo; es como si os hubiérais quedado fuera... para esperar el Tsunami.. y el barco no solo se ha largado, sino que está metiendo máquina toda.
No sé, se supone que si en mitad de la crisis, justo en el giro, alguien viene y te dice, se va a 7000...
Deberían sacarse botellas de esas francesas caras... más en un hilo de ricos.
Pero no; unos Pocos Thanks que no parece de Bitcoineros.
Aún tienen la oportunidad de subirse en ETH , que al fin y al cabo subirá más xN que Btc.
eso es correr mucho...y si...reconozco que no he comprado con fiat eth ni btc pensando que bajaría más... Pero lo que ahora tengo es FOMO y eso es un claro indicador de no meter fiat.
estoy pensando en comprar LTC... en Fiat no se ha movido casi...y si por casualidad tengo un to the moon de btc... algo se llevara LTC.... si por otro lado, segwit2 falla (el código no está bien testado... os imagináis un hackeo en día 7 de agosto por ejemplo)???LTC sería coronado
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Tu estrategia no solo es correcta sino extraordinariamente Buena, con LTC ; la otra cosa ni la veo en la lista
LTC tendrá muchísima mejor evolución relativa que BTC siempre que vaya para arriba, y BTC de momento va a seguir para arriba; cabe la posibilidad de que la destrone ETH por esos líos que no entiendo y que os tiene ocupados; pero a tí, en LTC no te influirá, siempre que te muevas en los TOP 4/5.. más abajo mejor siempre que el líder siga, o si el segundo sigue con el líder para abajo
Para que entiendas un poco mejor este complejo mundo.
La otra cosa -segwit2x- es una característica técnica de Bitcoin (mejora) que ha llevado a la comunidad Bitcoin a una separación que lleva en torno a año y medio (parada técnica en el desarrollo técnico) y a desembocado oficialmente en papeles de un largo divorcio que llevará de Agosto a Noviembre, en Noviembre es posible que exista Bitcoin1 y Bitcoin2, perdiendo 'la marca' ya que tendrá apellido.
LTC, tiene esa mejora técnica, ya que es un clon (fue la segunda en aparecer en la historia) y todas las características técnicas de Bitcoin, con algunas mejoras en tiempos de respuesta. Al tener esa mejora técnica, permita llevar a cabo el aumento de las capacidades y llevar a cabo todo lo que se puede hacer con Bitcoin, pero antes que en este, ya que esas capacidades estarán en Bitcoin1, Bitcoin2 tirará por otro lado.
LTC, La sacaría en torno a 6 meses de desarrollo técnico de ventaja respecto a Bitcoin.
Las 3 Bitcoin, Ethereum, Litecoin, son las cryptomonedas más cambiadas en FIAT hoy siendo su tráfico sostenido de la segunda y tercera más del 50% en fiat, el resto sería btc/ltc, btc/eth.
Por si quieres meter a tu curiosidad algo de fundamentales, que es lo que a mi me gusta.
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Dicen que ltc dio prioridad a la velocidad, mientras que btc es más seguro. ¿Es correcto?Para que entiendas un poco mejor este complejo mundo.
La otra cosa -segwit2x- es una característica técnica de Bitcoin (mejora) que ha llevado a la comunidad Bitcoin a una separación que lleva en torno a año y medio (parada técnica en el desarrollo técnico) y a desembocado oficialmente en papeles de un largo divorcio que llevará de Agosto a Noviembre, en Noviembre es posible que exista Bitcoin1 y Bitcoin2, perdiendo 'la marca' ya que tendrá apellido.
LTC, tiene esa mejora técnica, ya que es un clon (fue la segunda en aparecer en la historia) y todas las características técnicas de Bitcoin, con algunas mejoras en tiempos de respuesta. Al tener esa mejora técnica, permita llevar a cabo el aumento de las capacidades y llevar a cabo todo lo que se puede hacer con Bitcoin, pero antes que en este, ya que esas capacidades estarán en Bitcoin1, Bitcoin2 tirará por otro lado.
LTC, La sacaría en torno a 6 meses de desarrollo técnico de ventaja respecto a Bitcoin.
Las 3 Bitcoin, Ethereum, Litecoin, son las cryptomonedas más cambiadas en FIAT hoy siendo su tráfico sostenido de la segunda y tercera más del 50% en fiat, el resto sería btc/ltc, btc/eth.
Por si quieres meter a tu curiosidad algo de fundamentales, que es lo que a mi me gusta.
A largo plazo ...el valor de Ethereum es todavia CERO
( no lo dijo Voltaire ) , lo dijo Roger Ver
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"Craig Wright is Satoshi" -Roger Ver
"MT. Gox is solvent" -Roger Ver
"Bitcoin Unlimited is safe" -Roger Ver
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Developers Are Looking Into a Segwit2x Bug
Developers are looking into a potential problem with Segwit2x.
As described in a GitHub*post*by Blockstream CTO Greg Maxwell, the first part of the proposal, BIP 91, could lead some miners to reject blocks from others on activation. Discussion on the issue is still ongoing, but Maxwell is seeking to galvanize feedback to raise awareness of the issue.
“This requires an urgent response,” he said on GitHub.
Developers are looking into a potential problem with Segwit2x.
As described in a GitHub*post*by Blockstream CTO Greg Maxwell, the first part of the proposal, BIP 91, could lead some miners to reject blocks from others on activation. Discussion on the issue is still ongoing, but Maxwell is seeking to galvanize feedback to raise awareness of the issue.
“This requires an urgent response,” he said on GitHub.
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Cuanto llevan robado hoy en ETHer? 70 millones de dolares? Con el multifirma bugeado?
Jaja como dicen... Que un bug aqui:
Ha trasformado un wallet multisig... En zero sig...
Por cierto, el DAO fueron 50MM, este hackeo esta entre 30 y 70MM... No digo na, y lo digo to..
Al final, solo 32MM...
Por cierto:
If the creator of Solidity, Gavin Wood, cannot write a secure multisig wallet in Solidity, pretty much confirms Ethereum is hacker paradise.
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Ha trasformado un wallet multisig... En zero sig...
Por cierto, el DAO fueron 50MM, este hackeo esta entre 30 y 70MM... No digo na, y lo digo to..
Al final, solo 32MM...
Por cierto:
If the creator of Solidity, Gavin Wood, cannot write a secure multisig wallet in Solidity, pretty much confirms Ethereum is hacker paradise.
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In Solidity, the default scope of a function is public. So it's very easy for a coder to forget to set a scope and introduce a HUGE bug.
In the case of the multisig wallet code, the "init" method didn't have a scope. The attacker was able to call init and set owner to himself.
Chale lee..ex coinbase.
¿Que solo va a apoyar el segwit x2?.... Pues allá ellos.
In the case of the multisig wallet code, the "init" method didn't have a scope. The attacker was able to call init and set owner to himself.
Chale lee..ex coinbase.
¿Que solo va a apoyar el segwit x2?.... Pues allá ellos.
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si sale segwit2x saldreis a las plazas de vuestros pueblos para manifestaros??
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No hace falta, Core ya nos da la alternativa para que Bitcoin siga siendo la unica Blockchain libre y publica.si sale segwit2x saldreis a las plazas de vuestros pueblos para manifestaros??
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@SatoshiLite If LTC is adding RSK and RSK supports Solidity, what is stopping LTC from being susceptible from Solidity problems like ETH?
Nothing. If people put a lot of LTC into smartLitecoins on the RSK sidechain and secure it with a broken contract, then the same can happen.
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cuál es la alternativa?? LTC??No hace falta, Core ya nos da la alternativa para que Bitcoin siga siendo la unica Blockchain libre y publica.
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@SatoshiLite If LTC is adding RSK and RSK supports Solidity, what is stopping LTC from being susceptible from Solidity problems like ETH?
Nothing. If people put a lot of LTC into smartLitecoins on the RSK sidechain and secure it with a broken contract, then the same can happen.
respecto a lo de ETH, según mencionas antes, el problema no está en solidity sino en que el que hace un programa con solidity no lo hace bien
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Menudo ATH que se está marcando. Aproximándose a máximos y cerca del 50% de dominancia.
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ya está el to the moon.... huele a segwit
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SegWit or Not, Bitfury is Ready for Lightning With Successful Bitcoin Main Net Test
by*Aaron van Wirdum** Jul 20, 201712:51 PM EST
While*Segregated*Witness*(SegWit) activation is looking*more likely*by the hour,*Bitfury*is getting ready to deploy a version of the Lightning network with or without the protocol upgrade.
The blockchain technology company, perhaps best known for its Bitcoin mining pool of the same name, successfully sent real bitcoins over a test version of the Lightning Network this week. Interestingly, Bitfury’s implementation of the technology is compatible with the current Bitcoin protocol and is therefore functional even without SegWit.
“This is a major accomplishment by our technical team and an important step forward for the Lightning Network and the growth of Bitcoin,” Valery Vavilov, CEO of The Bitfury Group, said in a statement.
Lightning Network
The*Lightning Network*is a highly anticipated second-layer scaling solution that allows for cheap and instant (micro)payments. Cleverly leveraging Bitcoin’s basic scripting capabilities, Lightning users should be able to make a virtually unlimited number of transactions, where only a minimal proportion of them are recorded on Bitcoin’s blockchain, thereby boosting Bitcoin’s scalability. Meanwhile, all users remain in control of their own bitcoins at all times, maintaining the trustless properties of Bitcoin itself.
“The Lightning Network has the potential to solve Bitcoin’s scalability issue and provide instant payment functionality. By demonstrating that the Lightning Network can function now, Bitfury has cleared the way to increased transaction processing and further adoption of Bitcoin,” Vavilov said.
Bitfury’s Lightning*implementation*is based on*LND, which is being developed by*Lightning Labs.
For its demo, the Bitfury software team created two Lightning transactions. One of these is a straight transaction from one Lightning node to the next, effectively simulating a payment channel between two users. Since it was only a test, Bitfury only made one transaction — but it could have made thousands back and forth at no extra cost.
The other test was a single-hop transaction, which better simulates the main purpose of the Lightning Network. Users pay each other through a mutual third party, without requiring any trust in this third party. While the Bitfury software team only made one transaction on this channel as well, it could, once again, have made thousands back and forth between all three parties, at no extra cost.
Since Bitfury’s test took place on the main net,*the*funding*and*settlementtransactions*are recorded on Bitcoin’s blockchain and can be seen by any typical block explorer.
Tests and SegWit
Bitfury’s is not the first successful test of the Lightning Network. Several companies, including Lightning Labs, Blockstream, ACINQ as well as Bitfury itself have experimented with their implementations of the technology. But since most of these companies are working on versions of Lightning that rely on Segregated Witness, these tests were limited to Bitcoin’s testnet and Litecoin. Likewise, major wallet service Blockchain has sent “Thunder” transactions over Bitcoin’s main net. But while Thunder resembles the Lightning protocol, it isn’t quite as trustless or decentralized.
As such, Bitfury is the first company to get a version of the Lightning Network up and running on the current Bitcoin protocol.
“We released this first experimental version of the Lightning Network for Bitcoin because we think the Lightning Network is an essential technology for Bitcoin and would love to see it made available as soon as possible,” Vavilov said. “We are proud that our developers found a way to adopt the Lightning Network for Bitcoin without SegWit. It’s a huge step forward for Bitcoin scalability.”
Regardless, the CEO noted that he is hopeful that SegWit will activate on the Bitcoin network. With*BIP91*currently getting close to its activation threshold, it seems increasingly likely that SegWit could be live within a month. This would allow for a version of the Lightning Network that offers an improved user experience.
Vavilov:
“The Lightning Network will be the most effective when used with SegWit, which is why we are fully committed to SegWit’s implementation, and we will continue working on a version of the Lightning Network that is compatible with SegWit.” *
Bitfury, which started out as a Bitcoin miner, has grown to become one of the largest private infrastructure providers in the Blockchain ecosystem. Part of this effort, the company has been supporting the development and implementation of the Lightning Network for well over a year. Bitfury previously also co-designed and successfully*tested*Flare, a payment-routing solution for the Lightning Network.
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SegWit or Not, Bitfury is Ready for Lightning With Successful Bitcoin Main Net Test
by*Aaron van Wirdum** Jul 20, 201712:51 PM EST
While*Segregated*Witness*(SegWit) activation is looking*more likely*by the hour,*Bitfury*is getting ready to deploy a version of the Lightning network with or without the protocol upgrade.
The blockchain technology company, perhaps best known for its Bitcoin mining pool of the same name, successfully sent real bitcoins over a test version of the Lightning Network this week. Interestingly, Bitfury’s implementation of the technology is compatible with the current Bitcoin protocol and is therefore functional even without SegWit.
“This is a major accomplishment by our technical team and an important step forward for the Lightning Network and the growth of Bitcoin,” Valery Vavilov, CEO of The Bitfury Group, said in a statement.
Lightning Network
The*Lightning Network*is a highly anticipated second-layer scaling solution that allows for cheap and instant (micro)payments. Cleverly leveraging Bitcoin’s basic scripting capabilities, Lightning users should be able to make a virtually unlimited number of transactions, where only a minimal proportion of them are recorded on Bitcoin’s blockchain, thereby boosting Bitcoin’s scalability. Meanwhile, all users remain in control of their own bitcoins at all times, maintaining the trustless properties of Bitcoin itself.
“The Lightning Network has the potential to solve Bitcoin’s scalability issue and provide instant payment functionality. By demonstrating that the Lightning Network can function now, Bitfury has cleared the way to increased transaction processing and further adoption of Bitcoin,” Vavilov said.
Bitfury’s Lightning*implementation*is based on*LND, which is being developed by*Lightning Labs.
For its demo, the Bitfury software team created two Lightning transactions. One of these is a straight transaction from one Lightning node to the next, effectively simulating a payment channel between two users. Since it was only a test, Bitfury only made one transaction — but it could have made thousands back and forth at no extra cost.
The other test was a single-hop transaction, which better simulates the main purpose of the Lightning Network. Users pay each other through a mutual third party, without requiring any trust in this third party. While the Bitfury software team only made one transaction on this channel as well, it could, once again, have made thousands back and forth between all three parties, at no extra cost.
Since Bitfury’s test took place on the main net,*the*funding*and*settlementtransactions*are recorded on Bitcoin’s blockchain and can be seen by any typical block explorer.
Tests and SegWit
Bitfury’s is not the first successful test of the Lightning Network. Several companies, including Lightning Labs, Blockstream, ACINQ as well as Bitfury itself have experimented with their implementations of the technology. But since most of these companies are working on versions of Lightning that rely on Segregated Witness, these tests were limited to Bitcoin’s testnet and Litecoin. Likewise, major wallet service Blockchain has sent “Thunder” transactions over Bitcoin’s main net. But while Thunder resembles the Lightning protocol, it isn’t quite as trustless or decentralized.
As such, Bitfury is the first company to get a version of the Lightning Network up and running on the current Bitcoin protocol.
“We released this first experimental version of the Lightning Network for Bitcoin because we think the Lightning Network is an essential technology for Bitcoin and would love to see it made available as soon as possible,” Vavilov said. “We are proud that our developers found a way to adopt the Lightning Network for Bitcoin without SegWit. It’s a huge step forward for Bitcoin scalability.”
Regardless, the CEO noted that he is hopeful that SegWit will activate on the Bitcoin network. With*BIP91*currently getting close to its activation threshold, it seems increasingly likely that SegWit could be live within a month. This would allow for a version of the Lightning Network that offers an improved user experience.
Vavilov:
“The Lightning Network will be the most effective when used with SegWit, which is why we are fully committed to SegWit’s implementation, and we will continue working on a version of the Lightning Network that is compatible with SegWit.” *
Bitfury, which started out as a Bitcoin miner, has grown to become one of the largest private infrastructure providers in the Blockchain ecosystem. Part of this effort, the company has been supporting the development and implementation of the Lightning Network for well over a year. Bitfury previously also co-designed and successfully*tested*Flare, a payment-routing solution for the Lightning Network.
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Dear Coinbase Customer,
We are contacting you to make you aware of recent developments in a number of proposals for technical changes to Bitcoin.*All BTC stored on Coinbase will remain safe during these events described below.
The User Activated Hard Fork (UAHF) is a proposal to increase the Bitcoin block size scheduled to activate on August 1. The UAHF is incompatible with the current Bitcoin ruleset and will create a separate blockchain. Should UAHF activate on August 1, Coinbase will not support the new blockchain or its associated coin.
The User Activated Soft Fork (UASF) is a proposal to adopt Segregated Witness on the Bitcoin blockchain and could result in network instability. It is scheduled to activate at the same time as the UAHF.
To ensure the safety of customers’ funds, we will*temporarily suspendBTC deposits, withdrawals, and buy/sell starting approximately 4 hours before activation of either fork.
If you*do not wish*to have access to UAHF coins, and do not wish to access your BTC during the fork, you are not required to take any action.If you*do wish*to have access to UAHF coins or access your BTC during the fork, you should send your BTC from Coinbase to your external address by July 31.
alguien que lo tenga claro entre tanta sopa de siglas y fechas...
es algo así como que coinbase se va con los chinos y pasa de bitcoin core y de la cadena que creen si la crean??
We are contacting you to make you aware of recent developments in a number of proposals for technical changes to Bitcoin.*All BTC stored on Coinbase will remain safe during these events described below.
The User Activated Hard Fork (UAHF) is a proposal to increase the Bitcoin block size scheduled to activate on August 1. The UAHF is incompatible with the current Bitcoin ruleset and will create a separate blockchain. Should UAHF activate on August 1, Coinbase will not support the new blockchain or its associated coin.
The User Activated Soft Fork (UASF) is a proposal to adopt Segregated Witness on the Bitcoin blockchain and could result in network instability. It is scheduled to activate at the same time as the UAHF.
To ensure the safety of customers’ funds, we will*temporarily suspendBTC deposits, withdrawals, and buy/sell starting approximately 4 hours before activation of either fork.
If you*do not wish*to have access to UAHF coins, and do not wish to access your BTC during the fork, you are not required to take any action.If you*do wish*to have access to UAHF coins or access your BTC during the fork, you should send your BTC from Coinbase to your external address by July 31.
alguien que lo tenga claro entre tanta sopa de siglas y fechas...
es algo así como que coinbase se va con los chinos y pasa de bitcoin core y de la cadena que creen si la crean??
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El UASF no es "core" sino la iniciativa de Bitman para que los "usuarios" sean los que fuercen a los mineros a aceptar el SegWit.
Coinbase avisó -yo lo había puesto más arriba- que no apoya esta locura de niñatos caprichosos y sigue con la blockhain que tiene más poder de hash (tal como indica el White Paper de Satoshi).
La gente de core veía con buenos ojos el UASF pero, no es la misma cosa (aunque hayan marchado de la mano).
Aquí el defensor más acérrimo de UASF era Elemento y estaba convencido que, desde los nodos, se podía modificar el mismo sistema. Está visto que no se podrá.
Por su parte, gran cantidad de exchanges y mineros han realizado el "Consenso de New York" con lo que pretenden activar el SegWit2 que es -como resulta lógico- la activación del SegWit y la ampliación del bloque a 2 Mb.
A todas luces parece la mejor solución.
Coinbase avisó -yo lo había puesto más arriba- que no apoya esta locura de niñatos caprichosos y sigue con la blockhain que tiene más poder de hash (tal como indica el White Paper de Satoshi).
La gente de core veía con buenos ojos el UASF pero, no es la misma cosa (aunque hayan marchado de la mano).
Aquí el defensor más acérrimo de UASF era Elemento y estaba convencido que, desde los nodos, se podía modificar el mismo sistema. Está visto que no se podrá.
Por su parte, gran cantidad de exchanges y mineros han realizado el "Consenso de New York" con lo que pretenden activar el SegWit2 que es -como resulta lógico- la activación del SegWit y la ampliación del bloque a 2 Mb.
A todas luces parece la mejor solución.
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¿Que nodos se han atrevido a instalar el software de SegwitX2? Hay alguno que no use Core?El UASF no es "core" sino la iniciativa de Bitman para que los "usuarios" sean los que fuercen a los mineros a aceptar el SegWit.
Coinbase avisó -yo lo había puesto más arriba- que no apoya esta locura de niñatos caprichosos y sigue con la blockhain que tiene más poder de hash (tal como indica el White Paper de Satoshi).
La gente de core veía con buenos ojos el UASF pero, no es la misma cosa (aunque hayan marchado de la mano).
Aquí el defensor más acérrimo de UASF era Elemento y estaba convencido que, desde los nodos, se podía modificar el mismo sistema. Está visto que no se podrá.
Por su parte, gran cantidad de exchanges y mineros han realizado el "Consenso de New York" con lo que pretenden activar el SegWit2 que es -como resulta lógico- la activación del SegWit y la ampliación del bloque a 2 Mb.
A todas luces parece la mejor solución.
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Ahora es cuando empieza lo bueno..¿Que nodos se han atrevido a instalar el software de SegwitX2? Hay alguno que no use Core?
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